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    50 plyrs mtt, on BB, hand raised MP, 2callers, hero BB,TT, next move?

    Hi, i am not sure if this is the right place to post this question, as i havent found a MTT section,
    ok situation is, live tournament freezout, 50 players 5th level blinds 150/300, there are 43 players left,

    8 players in our table we have 33 BB everybody is around 30-50 BB,
    we got pocket tens on BB, utg fold ep open raise 3 bb, ep+1 folp, mp call , everyone folds button call, SB fold,
    there is 10,5 BB on pot 3 callers
    open raiser gots 50+ BB first caller a girl( very cute one)38 Bb, button 40 BB

    I shove allin,( my thinking was, ok i only will get called on this table given my image, by AA KK maybe QQ and AK,and in case of AK i am not in that bad shape ) called by other had will be fine for me
    fold ,fold, button calls
    He shows A K off , the girl says she folded pocket tens !! so i had only the magical straight or one card flush to win in case his card comes.

    to the flop comes the king,
    im out of the tournament
    i think if same situation arises i wolud play the hand exactly, am i wrong?



    earlier, i bleed some chips preflop on this hand i guess i s a good fold given the situation,i need oppinions on this

    i havent been very active at the table , only played 2-3 haNds 3rd level, still 47 players left
    i am at button with 100+ - BB and we go A Q diamonds, ep raises 2 BB ( 300) 2 callers ( theres 7,5 BB now at the pot) i raise to 10, 5 BB ( 1600) Big blind a guy with a long history of hard hands against me ( loosing with me and) a tight player, 4 bets to 4400 (29 BB)and 1/3 of his stack, at this ont all players have between 90-110 Bb
    i decide is an insta fold i put him only onAA KK, for that move against ME
    everyone folds , i think 5 secs and fold showing the A Q diamonds, he shows KK

    at thins point i think is a good fold, but, if i were on final table bubble and we were shorter on blinds and his raise was an allin should i call ? i mean same situation, sbdy had opened at 2 BB, call call, 7, 5 BB on pot we are button we raise for 10.5 ( 1 /3 of our stack ( we got 30 BB) and the villain raises for allin 30 bb )there are 8 players on table an prizes are from 6th to 1,

    its a bit tricky because some would have prefered shoving , on button instead of raising the 1/3 of stack without a clear plan if someone reraises.


    thank you very much guys the forum is excellent and the course too,
    and if please feel free about any comments, will be deeply apreciated

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    5th level, with that SPR I would just call pre-flop. I'm assuming 30 minute levels.
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    Lots and lots of things going awry with your post. First off never show folding a hand, especially one like AQs. You didn't tell me anything about the persons opening range when you had TT, do they limp alot of their weak hands, is this a sign of strength? Are they positionally aware? What do they do with lower pocket pairs, raise or limp? In tournies like this I am squeeze shoving TT all day without good reasons. It sounds like your 3bet with AQs is a little weak, my spider sense is telling me I could pick up some sizing tells if I were to play with you, you need to watch for that. I can't imagine flatting the hand and I can't imagine doing anything against a 4bet except folding unless the other player was really good (they would 4bet bluff with a strong frequency trying to pick up the pot) or really bad (they are giving a tell of weakness or a midpair type hand).

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    5th level, with that SPR I would just call pre-flop. I'm assuming 30 minute levels.
    Thanks,
    levels were 20 minutes,
    John, if i flat call, there, being first to talk on flop... what is the plan?( other than waiting for the set),
    betting if no overcards are flopped?to me calling sound like some call pre, push on the flop no matter what the flop is,
    Being out of position and having 3 guys in front of me , i have a hard time figuring out the plan postflop, having such a narrow margin( from my point of view of an apprentice player ) as with any 3/4 or pot sized bet on the flop i am commited.
    but on the other hand you make me think that if nobody hits the flop, ( no high cards) a call, then push might be better than moving allin preflop were hands that preflop would call, on the flop if they have nothing , might fold am i right?
    could you givfe some ideas?
    - im just on week 3 of roots course - so surely will be some concepts that i dont have yet dont be too hard with me - ;P
    thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixpeppers View Post
    Lots and lots of things going awry with your post. First off never show folding a hand, especially one like AQs. You didn't tell me anything about the persons opening range when you had TT, do they limp alot of their weak hands, is this a sign of strength? Are they positionally aware? What do they do with lower pocket pairs, raise or limp? In tournies like this I am squeeze shoving TT all day without good reasons. It sounds like your 3bet with AQs is a little weak, my spider sense is telling me I could pick up some sizing tells if I were to play with you, you need to watch for that. I can't imagine flatting the hand and I can't imagine doing anything against a 4bet except folding unless the other player was really good (they would 4bet bluff with a strong frequency trying to pick up the pot) or really bad (they are giving a tell of weakness or a midpair type hand).
    Hello sixpeppers
    first of all thank you for your answer,i agree with you about showing hands, but this time, this was a tournament at a poker club with some friends, ( not a casino mtt)and the AQ show, was to guy i have been playing against like 2 years, ( we are poker friends) so thats why i did this relaxed behaviour, but yes, i dont want to excuse myself, i know it is wrong moreover when there are players in the table it s first time i play with.
    ok, i cant really say too much about opening ranges because i have never played before( in other tourneys) with the guys involved with me in the TT allin hand, to me the opener could have a random range, just trying to represent strenght just because he opened in ep,or just because he liked the hand, he didnt look like a dangerous player during the previous levels i played, the girl in the middle has been very passive and tight,was the only one that scared me, and i had the feeling that the last player called just because of position and could have any drawing or Ax, even smallpoket pair, otherwise he should normally have raised,( at least with AK i would)i have been playing Tag, and not too many hands, so cant imagine him calling waiting for me for a shove or reraise just to call me down, BUT for the next time i had a good note about this player, he can call ( no reraise)AK in position against 3 players, lol,

    to sum up what seems to be clear the AQ fold was right at that point, we could only reraise allin if we think we are being stealed / bluffed
    and we could consider the TT shove as a standard move with the information we have in this hand
    isn t it?
    thank you again for your comments the harder you criticize my game the more i will learn
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    i cant really say too much about opening ranges because i have never played before( in other tourneys) with the guys involved with me in the TT allin hand, to me the opener could have a random range, just trying to represent strenght just because he opened in ep,or just because he liked the hand, he didnt look like a dangerous player during the previous levels i played, the girl in the middle has been very passive and tight,was the only one that scared me, and i had the feeling that the last player called just because of position and could have any drawing or Ax, even smallpoket pair, otherwise he should normally have raised,( at least with AK i would)i have been playing Tag, and not too many hands, so cant imagine him calling waiting for me for a shove or reraise just to call me down, BUT for the next time i had a good note about this player, he can call ( no reraise)AK in position against 3 players, lol,
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